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Should Taxpayers Pay For Octuplet Mom's Kids?
Incognito , Boca Raton: Feb 13 2009
Made Popular Feb 13 2009

Should Taxpayers Pay For Octuplet Mom's Kids?

Who IS Nadya Suleman, and what is the real story about this woman who irresponsibly and immorally had octuplets, when she already had 6 other children at home, ranging from 2 to 7 years- old! We first heard about the miracle babies before we knew anything at all about her, but the more we learn, the more I am convinced something is desperately wrong with her; and what started off as an interesting anecdote for fertility treatments, has turned into a moral and ethical quagmire. Should she have had more children? Should the doctor who treated her have implanted 6 more fetuses, when 1 or 2 is usually considered the norm, and implanting more is a danger to both mother and babies? Should he be sanctioned? Should she be allowed to keep all 8 newborns? Should the taxpayer have to pay to support her and her kids?

Cobbled together from information garnered from an exclusive interview on Dateline NBC, several newspaper articles, and an interview with Nadya’s mum, Angela, on radaronline.com, nothing is what it seems to be. The line between truth and fiction have become blurred, and the actual truth might never be known.

What we do know is that the 33 year-old mother of 14 kids, is -

1. Single and lives with her mother and father in a small, cramped, messy 3 bedroom house.

2. Nadya’s mother, Angela Victoria Suleman (a retired schoolteacher), had to file for bankruptcy last year.

3. Nadya’s father, who is supposedly Palestinian or Iraqi (depending on which article you read) is returning to Iraq to work as a contractor so he can support the horde, because Nadya stopped working as soon as she started giving birth.

4. Her other kids are 7, 6, 5, 3 and 2 year-old twins.

5. Nadya had all 14 children through in-vitro fertilization (IVF). Nadya claims it was by the same doctor. Angela, her mum, claims that after the doctor who impregnated Nadya with the first 6 refused to comply, she found another one.

6. No-one knows who the father actually is. According to Nadya it’s a friend; but according to her mum, the sperm donor was her boyfriend, who she refuses to marry. Mum says he’s the father of all 14, but who knows.

7. She was married and divorced. Though who knows if this is true.

8. She has always wanted children. This obsession started when she was a teenager. She got pregnant at 16, subsequently miscarried, and doctors discovered her fallopian tubes were clogged. She tried many times thereafter, to get pregnant until she found that IV worked.

9. She’s a liar. Three of the 6 older kids are autistic, and she receives disability payments from the state of California for them. Although she claimed, in her Dateline interview, that she is not on welfare, she has been receiving $490 month for food stamps, which will increase with the new additions.

The whole situation wouldn’t have created such outrage were it not for the fact that California taxpayers are probably going to have to foot the bill for this woman’s obscene fascination with childbirth. She’s a single, unemployed mother of 6 who just added 8 more. She has no visible means of support, other than her parents. Giving birth to the octuplets, including the extended stay, is going to cost from 1.5 - 3 millions dollars. And who do you think is going to pay for that?

“...the hospital where the octuplets are expected to spend seven to 12 weeks has requested reimbursement from Medi-Cal, the state’s Medicaid program, for care of the premature babies, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Her mum is fed up and tired of taking care of the kids. I want to know how Nadya is going to take care of all those children on her own? It is said that some of the octuplets will probably have health and mental issues, so how is she going to manage those plus the 3 disabled children she already has?

Apparently she has set up a website begging for money. And it seems that in spite of the lack of income and her enormous family, she somehow found enough money to get plastic surgery, and is slowly morphing into a creepy version of Angelina Jolie.

You have to wonder how this happened. But, somewhere along the line a very sick, selfish young girl was failed- by her parents and ultimately by the doctor (or doctors) who agreed to allow her to have so many kids. And the taxpayers are eventually going to have to pay for it all.

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2 Stars
Patrick
New York, United States
Even if they want to i advise them against doing so...coz this will be sheer wastage of their hard earn money for the freak people who have the bizarre liking to have octuplets even when she already has 7 children who will always be there to eat their health benefits.
2 Stars
Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Unfortunately, the taxpayers have no say where their hard-earned money goes. And as bankrupt as California is, it will probably wind up paying to support her and her brood. Apparently, she rec’d over $150,000 in disability payments herself for a back injury. Some of that went to pay for fertility treatments.
3 Stars
Lee
Dublin, Ireland
this is a million dollar question in a country that goes under severe economic crises at the moment. but I think in a country like russia where population is too less and the country need people, they should be rewarded...you should write to Putin something about rewarding and giving them full heal benefits...what say?//????
2 Stars
Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
That’s an idea... send them all to Russia... :-)

Had no idea they were having troubles over there. I knew areas of Western Europe were...
Interesting.
2 Stars
Kent
Portland, United States
This woman is a perfect scam artist, she has feigned many times to get the financial support with one excuse or the other. The woman is living in a world where reality has never paid a visit and I truly feel for her mom who loves her grandchildren too much to walk away and this selfish excuse of a daughter expects them to support her and them. I honestly hope LA County is watching this woman who is obviously in need of mental health treatment.
2 Stars
Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Many people believe she is playing the system.. I think she’s playing everyone, and sadly, many people have fallen for it. She apparently did have some therapy, at some point, which obviously didn’t help. The irony of it all is she’s studying counseling, for children.
And she does need major psychiatric treatment.
3 Stars
Evan
Brooklyn, United States
Well i came to know that she has some website for asking donations. oooooohhhh!!! Pay day is coming up this week ppl so if you have a little spare change you can donate money or supplies to her. Also the grandfather has reported that the name on the birth certificates of David Solomon is not correct and is made-up. Falsifying info on a birth certificate in CA is a felony.
1 Stars
Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Yeah.. I have a link to her website in this post. It’s obscene. She added a comment link, which I find quite stupid. Not that I left a comment, but I can only imagine some of the comments people have left, though I’m sure there are plenty of kind-hearted people who will probably donate money.
3 Stars
Salvador
Orlando, United States
this girl is amazing!!! she has done away with babies, but still in school. Now just think of the "stimulus" plan that is to give $2500 tax credits (refundable?) to "students". this the right time to think the other side of the plan and we can at least cut off these people who are way past college age and have never really done anything in life? Retraining is another issue but don't we have enough people with advanced degrees who can't manage to work?
1 Stars
Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Looks like she is going to be getting more than just that $2,500, which is criminal, in my mind. Some families, who have only a few children can’t even qualify for help they need. And she has 14?! All of which didn’t come naturally. Do you know how much it costs for fertility treatments?!

I don’t have a problem with someone wanting to go back to college..but not this woman.
1 Stars
Kevin
Dallas, United States
If this mother profits from her sham story, then all proceeds should be given back to the tax payers of California before she is able to pocket one cent. This system should not be limited to just Octo Mom.....How long can we afford to keep dishing out?
1 Stars
Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
I agree, but she’s going to need every penny she can get and I’d rather it come from prostituting her own story than from the taxpayers.

”how long can we afford to keep dishing it out?”

We can’t, that’s why we’re in the current economic downfall. It all started with giving loans for housing to people who couldn’t afford it.
2 Stars
Brian
San Francisco, United States
She has already enjoyed enough healthcares with taxpayers money or else she would have not been able to endure the process that resulted in octuplets. And it should be the focus what it takes to raise your children and is absolutely impossible unless you accept ALL taxpayers support. The thing is now the elephant has crossed the streets and it’s literally no use to make hue and cry coz being the US citizens the children will be entitled to all the benefits that others are to…I hope I made my point….God bless them all…
1 Stars
Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
You’re right she has been on some form of government help, but her parents have also been helping her. Well, they could take the children and put them up for adoption, which I think would be a good option. She could keep one of the Octuplets. There are plenty of people dying for children who would give them a great home.
2 Stars
Eliot
Phoenix, United States
who must pay for her irresponsible behavior, the real culprits are the leaders of our society who allow suleman and her ilk to game the system and rip off the ones who lead responsible lives. There are thousands more just like her out there bilking you out of your hard earned tax dollars. There will always be like her who will rip you off if they are allowed to do so. Although your anger at her is justified the brunt of your anger should be directed towards those who make our laws and give them freedom to do what they want no matter how many suffers because of that.
1 Stars
Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Eliot, you’re right. OUr government makes it very easy to bilk the system, and it will be even easier under a democratic led government that wants to be more involved in our lives.
1 Stars
Alex
Albuquerque, United States
We DON'T support her if DHS steps in. She has acted irresponsibly in the health and welfare of all of those children. She knows damned well she cannot support them and I'm betting no one is willing to buy her story either to turn it into a book or movie....so now she's resorting to actually asking for donations.
1 Stars
Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Alex, NBC claims they didn’t pay her for the interview, but I wonder. She actually has a publicist, and I think the American people are interested enough in bizarre stories like this that she might profit from it, in some form or other. With America’s love affair for the reality show, she’ll probably wind up getting one of those.

And I do hope DHA steps in.
1 Stars
Wonda L
Earth, Canada
YES they should pay ,their religion says go forth and multiply and if one does than the culture that wants it pays for it and stop crying or change their beliefs
2 Stars
Oscar
Oaxaca, Mexico
In Mexico, there is NO welfare.Hell people who work have a hard enough time getting paid, God knows our government wouldn’t give up a cent to those who CAN, but choose not to...but as far as your comment goes, I disagree, especially if I were American or living in the United States where there are SO many religions..

Church and State MUST be kept seperate. If a Church or Religion claims birthcontrol is wrong, LET THE CHURCH(s) PAY FOR THE CHILDREN IN THEIR RELIGIOUS CONGREGATION WHO CANNOT BE AFFORDED...not society as a whole.
1 Stars
Oscar
Oaxaca, Mexico
I don’t understand how this could happen..

SHE shouldn’t have these children. THE DOCTORS in te clinic should no longer have medical licenses.

They say all children are blessings, and that I cannot deny, BUT with that in mind, why would we bring children into this world and make them suffer poverty, hunger, etc. The world is tough enough even if you DON’T have so many economical/social odds stacked against you..

As for welfare..I’ve always been curious, I just don’t understand. I have heard so many stories all of my life an seen so many people, myself when visiting, in Texas: It seems just about every one and anyone can recieve free foodstamps, babysitting, healthcare, $50 a month 2-3 bedroom apartments, houses and so much more in the United States..

I am in 100% agreement that a nation MUST help thier citizens, all equally, who are in need, but doesn’t ANYONE verify those needs?

I don’t want to be disrespectful, but I am Mexican and ever since I can remember, I have U.S. issued statstics of money lost thru welfare/ government assistance scams and fraud while at the same time seeing elders losing their pensions, not able to afford medication or gas to heat their homes, etc..HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?

If everyone knows about it, and has statistics, etc...WHY isn’t it stopped? Why has thier been no reform? Was it just not that important at the time? Kind of like if a millionaire ”loaned” $100 to someone he wouldn’t feel so pressured to collect because,well he had more money...

En fin...This woman and I’m sure there are more out there is not only working a scam, but should be deemed criminal along with the doctors who continue to impregnate her thru IVF.
2 Stars
Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Am not getting all my comments emailed to me.. so, sorry for the delay, Oscar. and yes, he should lose his license, and she should never have had all those fetuses implanted. The odds of at least half of those 8 having major health problems and disabilities is huge. Which means they will always be on disability, as are 3 of her other 6. It truly is criminal.

As for welfare, it’s a product of big government.. the democratic party has always loved the welfare. And the sad thing is, those who truly deserve help, often don’t qualify, when so many cheat and scam the system. There just aren’t enough checks and balances. I remember a story of a woman in Minneapolis, who was collecting welfare in Mpls, Wisconsin, and Iowa. she had tons of expensive cars, houses etc.

and not disrespectful at all, Oscar. It’s a total travesty, but again, a by product of big government.
1 Stars
Fckl Fckl
Brazil, Brazil
Incognito,


Until no US law has poor limited from reproduction outcomes she MUST be paid: her children will pay taxes or be simply consumers of goods and services, creating the jobs for others.

England and her colonies are very grounded on such an approach of passively benefiting Anglo-race by simply creating jobs for Anglo-Arians privileged to be employed and pass their works as their top feudals in London do historically.
1 Stars
Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
FCKL, FCKL,

Problem is, as I mentioned to Oscar, 3 of her 6 children are on disability because they are autistic etc. Who knows how many of the 8 will have health and mental issues.. this is a problem with multiple births.

Not sure what your point is, but most will probably not be functioning members of society and will probably need government help.

It’s just not fair.
1 Stars
Oscar
Oaxaca, Mexico
Does the U.S. welfare system have any means of knowing when an applicant/receiver happens to recieve money?

Supposedly this woman won some type of lawsuit of $150-$200 k which gave her the finacial means to IVF and cosmetic surgeries..She is still out getting her nails fixed, buying expensive makeup, and hitting fast food like there is no end, yet recieving welfare?

Does anyone check on children or the homes of welfare reciepiants to insure they have proper nutrious food, etc.

I find it difficult to not offer help to these children, they did not ask to be brought into this world, the state will have to support them...it’s just a shame that by doing so, the crazy Mom gets a free ride.
1 Stars
Aneez
Mumbai, India
Hilarious! Giving gov. aid to her is a foolish thing to do. Instead, a thorough inquiry should be carried out about her, and she should be tried in the court of law, if she is found playing with the law.

However, she seems to be a clever woman who knows how to get the loopholes work to her advantage.

Anyway, if she is successful in getting the grants, the ones who are really in need will be at a loss.
1 Stars
Wonda L
Earth, Canada
The difference with people living in a rich and all forgiving country compared to less forginate countries -is we can afford to let some people entertain their not so logical actions and not punish them but help nourish them and guide them in a direction more accepted by most
Not one of us can walk on water unless it is ice and that is cheating
1 Stars
Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Aneez, The story gets more and more bizarre as the days go by. Though I agree she should be punished if she has been playing with the law. The one who should be tried and sanctioned is the unethical doctor who implanted her with all 10 embryos.. (apparently 2 of those were twins). I think people are going to tire of her very quickly, and bankrupt California is going to be left to pay her bills.
1 Stars
Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Wayne, Sure we can but not at the taxpayers expense. Turns out they haven’t paid their mortgage in 10 months. This woman is sick and should have been treated for mental problems not implanted with 6 more embryos. I blame the doctor as much as I do her, and he deserves to have his license taken away or forced to pay to support them. Apparently, there’s another woman he implanted 6 embryos. Totally unethical.
2 Stars
Alice Camila
New York, United States
My heart goes to those 8 designer babies who are fighting for their life in california hospital who suffered enough from the hands of an insane woman and a hunger for fame doctor. I don’t mind giving them my tax money if i know it will save a life of those children..But i would mind greatly if the tax payer money will only go to those who want’s to experiment the life of an innocent children and benefit from it. The DHS should sanctioned the woman from raising this children since she’s not capable of rearing them.
1 Stars
Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
AliceCamila, My heart does too, as they did not ask to be brought into the world through artificial means, to live with some wacked out mother with 6 other kids to take care of. I don’t think anyone would have a problem with octuplets had they been a natural occurrence. And I also agree, she should be sanctioned, as should the doctor. He needs to have his license taken away.
1 Stars
Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Forty percent of Americans pay no federal income tax at all,
and most of the money to run the country comes from resources and big business
Let this woman take care of her children like she should be able to in a rich and democratic country, where if more people mined their own business the morality of the country would be higher
Look in your mirror and see your refection first and if all looks good
judge others
We don’t seem to cry out for all the starving or abused children in the usa but then again the media isn’t spinning it for ratings
1 Stars
Alice Camila
New York, United States
As parents, we do our best to protect and safeguard our children,in the hopes of assuring they will remain safe and secure.We try to educate them, as best we can on how to avoid the dangers that unfortunately are lurking on every corner, especially in today’s society..

This woman have deliquently put all her innocent children in harms way wether or not her intentions are good. As far as the taxpayer, we are deducted every single paycheck but we can never choose where the money is being allocated.

Second of all, It don’t matter how much percentage of people paying federal tax, A Tax is a fine for doing well, And A fine is a tax for doing absolutely wrong...then i think this woman should be fined so she could open her cosmetic altered eyes and lips to a more positive and possibly right behavior on a more maternal not so much material.

thirdly, If she had given birth in china during the one child per family era, (this is due to the chinese economic fall down) and over population she could have been beheaded and her children could have been thrown away..This is absolutely horrifying as well as other parts of the world were children are in starvation and abused and mind you the media are all over it ... UNICEF is in full swing helping to stop hunger in every parts of the world and so other many public and private agencies that is US based...
1 Stars
Alice Camila
New York, United States
there must have been some computer glitch as i don’t remember posting the same comment seven times...My apology for your inconvenient.
1 Stars
Alice Camila
New York, United States
As parents, we do our best to protect and safeguard our children,in the hopes of assuring they will remain safe and secure.We try to educate them, as best we can on how to avoid the dangers that unfortunately are lurking on every corner, especially in today’s society..

This woman have deliquently put all her innocent children in harms way wether or not her intentions are good. As far as the taxpayer, we are deducted every single paycheck but we can never choose where the money is being allocated.

Second of all, It don’t matter how much percentage of people paying federal tax, A Tax is a fine for doing well, And A fine is a tax for doing absolutely wrong...then i think this woman should be fined so she could open her cosmetic altered eyes and lips to a more positive and possibly right behavior on a more maternal not so much material.

thirdly, If she had given birth in china during the one child per family era, (this is due to the chinese economic fall down) and over population she could have been beheaded and her children could have been thrown away..This is absolutely horrifying as well as other parts of the world were children are in starvation and abused and mind you the media are all over it ... UNICEF is in full swing helping to stop hunger in every parts of the world and so other many public and private agencies that is US based...
1 Stars
Alice Camila
New York, United States
As parents, we do our best to protect and safeguard our children,in the hopes of assuring they will remain safe and secure.We try to educate them, as best we can on how to avoid the dangers that unfortunately are lurking on every corner, especially in today’s society..

This woman have deliquently put all her innocent children in harms way wether or not her intentions are good. As far as the taxpayer, we are deducted every single paycheck but we can never choose where the money is being allocated.

Second of all, It don’t matter how much percentage of people paying federal tax, A Tax is a fine for doing well, And A fine is a tax for doing absolutely wrong...then i think this woman should be fined so she could open her cosmetic altered eyes and lips to a more positive and possibly right behavior on a more maternal not so much material.

thirdly, If she had given birth in china during the one child per family era, (this is due to the chinese economic fall down) and over population she could have been beheaded and her children could have been thrown away..This is absolutely horrifying as well as other parts of the world were children are in starvation and abused and mind you the media are all over it ... UNICEF is in full swing helping to stop hunger in every parts of the world and so other many public and private agencies that is US based...
1 Stars
Alice Camila
New York, United States
As parents, we do our best to protect and safeguard our children,in the hopes of assuring they will remain safe and secure.We try to educate them, as best we can on how to avoid the dangers that unfortunately are lurking on every corner, especially in today’s society..

This woman have deliquently put all her innocent children in harms way wether or not her intentions are good. As far as the taxpayer, we are deducted every single paycheck but we can never choose where the money is being allocated.

Second of all, It don’t matter how much percentage of people paying federal tax, A Tax is a fine for doing well, And A fine is a tax for doing absolutely wrong...then i think this woman should be fined so she could open her cosmetic altered eyes and lips to a more positive and possibly right behavior on a more maternal not so much material.

thirdly, If she had given birth in china during the one child per family era, (this is due to the chinese economic fall down) and over population she could have been beheaded and her children could have been thrown away..This is absolutely horrifying as well as other parts of the world were children are in starvation and abused and mind you the media are all over it ... UNICEF is in full swing helping to stop hunger in every parts of the world and so other many public and private agencies that is US based...
1 Stars
Alice Camila
New York, United States
As parents, we do our best to protect and safeguard our children,in the hopes of assuring they will remain safe and secure.We try to educate them, as best we can on how to avoid the dangers that unfortunately are lurking on every corner, especially in today’s society..

This woman have deliquently put all her innocent children in harms way wether or not her intentions are good. As far as the taxpayer, we are deducted every single paycheck but we can never choose where the money is being allocated.

Second of all, It don’t matter how much percentage of people paying federal tax, A Tax is a fine for doing well, And A fine is a tax for doing absolutely wrong...then i think this woman should be fined so she could open her cosmetic altered eyes and lips to a more positive and possibly right behavior on a more maternal not so much material.

thirdly, If she had given birth in china during the one child per family era, (this is due to the chinese economic fall down) and over population she could have been beheaded and her children could have been thrown away..This is absolutely horrifying as well as other parts of the world were children are in starvation and abused and mind you the media are all over it ... UNICEF is in full swing helping to stop hunger in every parts of the world and so other many public and private agencies that is US based...
1 Stars
Alice Camila
New York, United States
As parents, we do our best to protect and safeguard our children,in the hopes of assuring they will remain safe and secure.We try to educate them, as best we can on how to avoid the dangers that unfortunately are lurking on every corner, especially in today’s society..

This woman have deliquently put all her innocent children in harms way wether or not her intentions are good. As far as the taxpayer, we are deducted every single paycheck but we can never choose where the money is being allocated.

Second of all, It don’t matter how much percentage of people paying federal tax, A Tax is a fine for doing well, And A fine is a tax for doing absolutely wrong...then i think this woman should be fined so she could open her cosmetic altered eyes and lips to a more positive and possibly right behavior on a more maternal not so much material.

thirdly, If she had given birth in china during the one child per family era, (this is due to the chinese economic fall down) and over population she could have been beheaded and her children could have been thrown away..This is absolutely horrifying as well as other parts of the world were children are in starvation and abused and mind you the media are all over it ... UNICEF is in full swing helping to stop hunger in every parts of the world and so other many public and private agencies that is US based...
1 Stars
Incognito
Boca Raton, United States
Alice Camila,

Don’t worry.. there are sometimes glitches in IB.

Her intentions were obviously terribly selfish and narcissistic and she should be fined. She’s irresponsible, to boot. She received over $100,000 in disability payments for an accident she had when she was working, before the kids. She spent that on the IV treatments. And who knows where she got the money for the cosmetic surgery. That money should have gone to taking care of the 6 she already had.

3 of her 6 kids are special needs kids.. who knows how more from the 8 she just had will have problems. How is she going to take care of them?!
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