
Tell me, what’s so honourable about killing someone? I don’t care if it’s rooted in culture or religion or both, but killing someone to revenge one’s supposed honour is simply cold-blooded murder. There is nothing, whatsoever, honourable about it, regardless of whether someone, in their supreme ignorance, believes it is warranted or not.
Though, according to some Muslim scholars, honour killings are not specifically prescribed in Islamic theology, it happens all too frequently. And there are far too many countries that find nothing morally reprehensible about the practice, and actually outright condone it.
Take Chechnya, for example. President Ramzan Kadyrov, who is hell-bent on creating an Islamic state in that region (with the backing of the Russian government, even though it willfully violates the constitution) believes there is nothing wrong with honor killings. After 7 young women turned up dead, shot by relatives because they were deemed “loose”, Kadyrov told the press they deserved it.
“If a woman runs around and if a man runs around with her, both of them are killed,” Kadyrov told journalists in the capital of this Russian republic.
Though some doubt that they were actually honour killings, and that this was simply a way of bringing the whole subject to the fore, to appeal to the hard-line separatists and keep his power intact, the fact that he has publicly approved of honour killings, frightens many. They believe that honour killings will increase with Kadyrov’s approval, a man many fear and try to please.
“What the president says is law,” said Gistam Sakaeva, a Chechen activist who works to defend women’s rights. “Because the president said this, many will try to gain his favor by killing someone, even if there is no reason.”
Sakaeva also said she worried that Chechen authorities would now be less willing to prosecute men suspected of killing women.
This does not bode well for Chechen women, who Kadyrov describes as
the property of their husbands and says their main role is to bear children. He encourages men to take more than one wife, even though polygamy is illegal in Russia. Women and girls are now required to wear headscarves in all schools, universities and government offices.
The reason why the Kremlin is backing him in his efforts to what essentially is a talibanization of Chechnya, is the fact that they are tired of the 15 or so years of fighting the Islamic separatists, and Kadyrov is seen as someone who can keep the militants in check. The people are also tired of all the mayhem destruction that is part and parcel of war.
Do you see any similarities between the Swat Valley and Chechnya? 2 regions where the military has fought what appears to be an un-winnable war against Islamic extremists. The people tired and weary of being caught in the middle of the fighting. 2 governments caving-in, in different ways, to the Islamist demands.
Is this appeasement setting a terrible precedent? I think so.
All relgions - ALL religons - have fanatics.The christians have an interesting history of burning heretics at the stake.
It’s a problem of both, in this case. And yes, there are fanatics in almost all religions, and yes, Christians burnt people at the stake, but when was the last time that happened? Any recent accounts? You have some wackos who bomb abortion clinics, but those are few and far between. Honor killings happen all over the world, even here in the U.S.
Murder and rape are never honorable. That poor girl's attackers are monstrous.
Unenlightened is the key word here. It comes from ignorance.
You’re right, it’s individuals who are ultimately responsible for their actions, however, fanatical adherence to any particular religion can color and influence those actions. Yes, many Muslim Imams have condemned the practice, but many don’t.. and then when you have a government that says it’s okay for people to kill, then what? Who or what is responsible for encouraging such practice?
What does this have to do with fear or hatred of Muslims? Criticizing a practice that is despicable is not fear or hatred, it is merely criticism. If I condemn the practice of Christians burning people at the stake during the Salem witch trials, does that make me anti-Christian? No, of course not. Please, get a grip. You all have become far too sensitive.
Just a sickening bloody mess to clean up, sorrow and grief for the family members to attend an unnessary funeral.
As far as I can determine it’s only a power trip of hunting down easy targets of frightened, petrified people (mainly women) for their blood sport.....
What else have they got to live for in their backward, ignorant countries of ”honour”, misery, superstion and woe.
The Christians - thank God have seen the light and moved on over the last couple of hundred years, but how long will it take these retards to understand that God gives life and is quite capable of taking it,
No one else has that right!
I wouldn’t degrade animals or dogs in the same category, because in nature - they usually only kill out of fear or hunger.
Not so with mankind - disgusting creatures!
Unfortunately, there are thousands who take lives every day, who believe they have the right, whether for money, revenge etc. but to take a young woman’s life because she didn’t marry the man you chose for her, or she wants a divorce, or she went out with a man unaccompanied, or wants to wear western clothing (all reasons women have been honor-killed) is pathetic and sick.
And yes, God is the only one that has the right to take life away.
If they are guilty of infidelity then the men can get a divorce or something like that, - its not the end of the world, and women shouldnt be executed for it.
Its really horrifying to imagine the terror of being executed and should only be reserved for murderers! Its not right and its not honourable, its pitiful and immature.
Punishment can only ever be just when it is proportional to the crime; and if people in power and authority want to make human sacrifices to project an image of themselves as pious self righteous politicians, then i wonder how these people can feel comfortable with their guilt, and maybe they have done guilty things before and if they ever judge themselves and are ashamed in their hearts of what they have done.
In this case, I think it was a question of political expediency. There was talk that a few of the women were prostitutes at a brothel that some of his men hang out at, and that police killed them, (and they say they will probably never know the truth) but the fact he attributed it to honour killings, and that they deserved it, is problematic.
Point being, prostitutes or not, honour killings or not, they did not deserve to die.
Kadyrov is a thug, and instituting a strict brand of Islam is going to just give him even more power over the people, especially women.
Moderate Muslims must stand up for the goodness in their religion instead of letting schemers take control and gaining authority over them with hollow cynical gestures; to win over the radical hardliners and maintin fear.
Its the oldest political trick in the book - just read the 16th century machiavelli ”the prince”.
But it seems countries of Islamic faith are prone to these ruthless politicians. And its not true to believe Islam and democracy are mutually opposed. There are countries like Indonesia and Turkey where they can judge fit to elect their own rulers instead of manipulative nutcases, taking over them.
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I think that’s the way they see it.
And I agree, Sanwali, they are more faithful and loving... but rabid dogs are another story..
All relgions - ALL religons - have fanatics.The christians have an interesting history of burning heretics at the stake.
It’s a problem of both, in this case. And yes, there are fanatics in almost all religions, and yes, Christians burnt people at the stake, but when was the last time that happened? Any recent accounts? You have some wackos who bomb abortion clinics, but those are few and far between. Honor killings happen all over the world, even here in the U.S.
Murder and rape are never honorable. That poor girl's attackers are monstrous.
Unenlightened is the key word here. It comes from ignorance.
You’re right, it’s individuals who are ultimately responsible for their actions, however, fanatical adherence to any particular religion can color and influence those actions. Yes, many Muslim Imams have condemned the practice, but many don’t.. and then when you have a government that says it’s okay for people to kill, then what? Who or what is responsible for encouraging such practice?
What does this have to do with fear or hatred of Muslims? Criticizing a practice that is despicable is not fear or hatred, it is merely criticism. If I condemn the practice of Christians burning people at the stake during the Salem witch trials, does that make me anti-Christian? No, of course not. Please, get a grip. You all have become far too sensitive.
Just a sickening bloody mess to clean up, sorrow and grief for the family members to attend an unnessary funeral.
As far as I can determine it’s only a power trip of hunting down easy targets of frightened, petrified people (mainly women) for their blood sport.....
What else have they got to live for in their backward, ignorant countries of ”honour”, misery, superstion and woe.
The Christians - thank God have seen the light and moved on over the last couple of hundred years, but how long will it take these retards to understand that God gives life and is quite capable of taking it,
No one else has that right!
I wouldn’t degrade animals or dogs in the same category, because in nature - they usually only kill out of fear or hunger.
Not so with mankind - disgusting creatures!
Unfortunately, there are thousands who take lives every day, who believe they have the right, whether for money, revenge etc. but to take a young woman’s life because she didn’t marry the man you chose for her, or she wants a divorce, or she went out with a man unaccompanied, or wants to wear western clothing (all reasons women have been honor-killed) is pathetic and sick.
And yes, God is the only one that has the right to take life away.
If they are guilty of infidelity then the men can get a divorce or something like that, - its not the end of the world, and women shouldnt be executed for it.
Its really horrifying to imagine the terror of being executed and should only be reserved for murderers! Its not right and its not honourable, its pitiful and immature.
Punishment can only ever be just when it is proportional to the crime; and if people in power and authority want to make human sacrifices to project an image of themselves as pious self righteous politicians, then i wonder how these people can feel comfortable with their guilt, and maybe they have done guilty things before and if they ever judge themselves and are ashamed in their hearts of what they have done.
In this case, I think it was a question of political expediency. There was talk that a few of the women were prostitutes at a brothel that some of his men hang out at, and that police killed them, (and they say they will probably never know the truth) but the fact he attributed it to honour killings, and that they deserved it, is problematic.
Point being, prostitutes or not, honour killings or not, they did not deserve to die.
Kadyrov is a thug, and instituting a strict brand of Islam is going to just give him even more power over the people, especially women.
Moderate Muslims must stand up for the goodness in their religion instead of letting schemers take control and gaining authority over them with hollow cynical gestures; to win over the radical hardliners and maintin fear.
Its the oldest political trick in the book - just read the 16th century machiavelli ”the prince”.
But it seems countries of Islamic faith are prone to these ruthless politicians. And its not true to believe Islam and democracy are mutually opposed. There are countries like Indonesia and Turkey where they can judge fit to elect their own rulers instead of manipulative nutcases, taking over them.
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I think that’s the way they see it.
And I agree, Sanwali, they are more faithful and loving... but rabid dogs are another story..
All relgions - ALL religons - have fanatics.The christians have an interesting history of burning heretics at the stake.
It’s a problem of both, in this case. And yes, there are fanatics in almost all religions, and yes, Christians burnt people at the stake, but when was the last time that happened? Any recent accounts? You have some wackos who bomb abortion clinics, but those are few and far between. Honor killings happen all over the world, even here in the U.S.
Murder and rape are never honorable. That poor girl's attackers are monstrous.
Unenlightened is the key word here. It comes from ignorance.
You’re right, it’s individuals who are ultimately responsible for their actions, however, fanatical adherence to any particular religion can color and influence those actions. Yes, many Muslim Imams have condemned the practice, but many don’t.. and then when you have a government that says it’s okay for people to kill, then what? Who or what is responsible for encouraging such practice?
What does this have to do with fear or hatred of Muslims? Criticizing a practice that is despicable is not fear or hatred, it is merely criticism. If I condemn the practice of Christians burning people at the stake during the Salem witch trials, does that make me anti-Christian? No, of course not. Please, get a grip. You all have become far too sensitive.
Just a sickening bloody mess to clean up, sorrow and grief for the family members to attend an unnessary funeral.
As far as I can determine it’s only a power trip of hunting down easy targets of frightened, petrified people (mainly women) for their blood sport.....
What else have they got to live for in their backward, ignorant countries of ”honour”, misery, superstion and woe.
The Christians - thank God have seen the light and moved on over the last couple of hundred years, but how long will it take these retards to understand that God gives life and is quite capable of taking it,
No one else has that right!
I wouldn’t degrade animals or dogs in the same category, because in nature - they usually only kill out of fear or hunger.
Not so with mankind - disgusting creatures!
Unfortunately, there are thousands who take lives every day, who believe they have the right, whether for money, revenge etc. but to take a young woman’s life because she didn’t marry the man you chose for her, or she wants a divorce, or she went out with a man unaccompanied, or wants to wear western clothing (all reasons women have been honor-killed) is pathetic and sick.
And yes, God is the only one that has the right to take life away.
If they are guilty of infidelity then the men can get a divorce or something like that, - its not the end of the world, and women shouldnt be executed for it.
Its really horrifying to imagine the terror of being executed and should only be reserved for murderers! Its not right and its not honourable, its pitiful and immature.
Punishment can only ever be just when it is proportional to the crime; and if people in power and authority want to make human sacrifices to project an image of themselves as pious self righteous politicians, then i wonder how these people can feel comfortable with their guilt, and maybe they have done guilty things before and if they ever judge themselves and are ashamed in their hearts of what they have done.
In this case, I think it was a question of political expediency. There was talk that a few of the women were prostitutes at a brothel that some of his men hang out at, and that police killed them, (and they say they will probably never know the truth) but the fact he attributed it to honour killings, and that they deserved it, is problematic.
Point being, prostitutes or not, honour killings or not, they did not deserve to die.
Kadyrov is a thug, and instituting a strict brand of Islam is going to just give him even more power over the people, especially women.
Moderate Muslims must stand up for the goodness in their religion instead of letting schemers take control and gaining authority over them with hollow cynical gestures; to win over the radical hardliners and maintin fear.
Its the oldest political trick in the book - just read the 16th century machiavelli ”the prince”.
But it seems countries of Islamic faith are prone to these ruthless politicians. And its not true to believe Islam and democracy are mutually opposed. There are countries like Indonesia and Turkey where they can judge fit to elect their own rulers instead of manipulative nutcases, taking over them.
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I think that’s the way they see it.
And I agree, Sanwali, they are more faithful and loving... but rabid dogs are another story..