
Caving In - The Islamization of Britain
The last I knew Britain was not an Islamic state. Its long history has been mostly rooted in Christianity, however that seems to be rapidly changing.
Over the years, Muslim immigrants started imposing their values on the Brits and the native population has slowly been forced to adapt, through fear of offending. Normally, immigrants are expected to integrate into the societies of their host country, that’s certainly what is expected of westerners in Islamic states like Saudi Arabia and Iran; foreigners are expected to adhere to the laws of those lands. Visitors in Saudi Arabia are warned about the following:
The Interior Ministry yesterday requested non-Muslim residents in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to respect the Muslim holy month of Ramadan
by abstaining from eating, drinking and smoking in public during daytime hours. The Ministry warned that those who do not respect Ramadan could face deportation or termination of their work contracts. “Non-Muslim residents in Saudi Arabia must respect Muslims by refraining from eating, drinking or smoking in public places, outdoors and in workplaces during the dawn-to-dusk fast observed by Muslims throughout the holy month,” the Ministry statement said. The Ministry reminded non-Muslims in the Kingdom that they are obliged to respect Islamic rules and follow the Kingdom’s regulations in accordance with the terms of their contracts. The Ministry urged companies and individual employers to explain the Ministry statement to their non-Muslim personnel and caution them against violation of regulations.”
But many Muslims in Britain (and all over the world, for that matter) are refusing to assimilate, and are actually demanding that westerners conform to their way of life.
In a recent poll 44% of British Muslims would rather remain segregated. In a 2006 poll, almost 23% (370,000 of the 1.6 million U.K. Muslims) believed 7/7 was justified and 1/3 of all Muslims in England would prefer to live under shari’a law. It seems that wish has already been granted.
“ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases. The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence. Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court. Previously, the rulings of sharia courts in Britain could not be enforced, and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims.”
Some will argue that Jews and Catholics have their own form of shari’a with their family courts and marriage tribunals. And although I have trouble with any religious laws superseding civil law, the fundamental difference (and it’s a huge one) is that those tribunals are for believers only, whereas there are Muslims who believe that shari’a should be applicable to Muslims and non-Muslims alike. The following is a statement from a group in the U.K. called Supporters of Shariah (SOS):
“Muslims and non-Muslims are being oppressed throughout the world. SOS is one of the organizations struggling to remove the oppression created by man- made laws. So that the whole of mankind can enjoy the freedom, purity and justice of living under Allah’s laws-The Shari’ah.”
Muslims are also forcing their religious compulsions on others. A Muslim cab driver in England refused to allow a blind woman in his mini-cab because she had a guide-dog, which they consider unclean. This is a distressing problem worldwide, and is outright discrimination.
Even though polygamy is illegal in the U.K., the British government is now allowing Muslim men
living in a “harem” with multiple wives {snip} to claim state benefits for all their different partners.
A Muslim man with four spouses - which is permitted under Islamic law - could receive £10,000 a year in income support alone.
He could also be entitled to more generous housing and council tax benefit, to reflect the fact his household needs a bigger property.
So the British taxpayer is, in essence, supporting a practice that is deemed illegal.
Muslim female medical students in some British Universities are refusing to roll up their sleeves to scrub down, because it goes against Islamic modesty laws, flouting a Department of Health mandate which states that
“all doctors must be “bare below the elbow. The measure is deemed necessary to stop the spread of infections such as MRSA and Clostridium difficile, which have killed hundreds.”
Some families and friends of patients in U.K. hospitals are also refusing to use anti-bacterial gels that the hospitals have implemented in their battle against the killer MRSA, because it contains alcohol. I don’t drink alcohol, but I have no problem using these gels. It’s not as if one is ingesting it.
And then there are some supermarket workers who are refusing to handle alcohol at checkout, or re-stocking shelves with cans and bottles. Should they then make concessions to vegetarians, as well?
A Marks and Spencer store assistant refused to touch a children’s book “First Bible Stories”, that a grandmother was trying to purchase for her grandchild, because it was unclean.
The Boy Scouts in Dundee, Scotland a traditionally Christian organization will now adopt an Islamic pledge.
A school in northern England stopped teaching about the holocaust and the crusades in order not to offend Muslims.
In 2003, a Brit school banned any books mentioning pigs. Then in 2007 another church school renamed the “3 Little Pigs” story. Then in 2008:
“A story based on the Three Little Pigs has been banned from an annual school awards in case it offends Muslims... and builders! The Three Little Cowboy Builders, a re-telling of the classic fairy tale, was rejected because “the use of pigs raises cultural issues”. Judges said it could also offend builders.”
British banks stopped giving out piggy banks because they feared it might offend Muslims.
A British soap opera, Coronation Street, deliberately hid a cross in a wedding scene in a church, so as to avoid offending non-Christians. But the only non-Christians that might be offended are Muslims, no-one else cares about those kinds of things.
And in spite of all these concessions the British people and government are making, in order to not offend their Muslim population, British Mullah Anjum Chaudri calls killing non-Muslims legitimate.
Where is this all going to end? If someone prefers to live under Islamic Law, it would behoove them to move to a country that supports it.
Also, How exactly This is ’Imposed’ to people other than Muslims?
If they were peaceful people and living contented lives in their own home country they wouldn’t want leave it in the first place.
... So, The tribes of Diego Garcia island which their lands were taken by the British; end up in London. The African Slaves taken by force from their continent to Central America; end up in London, Indians (which include Pakistanis)who were exploited by the British Empire for 300 years also end up in London... The same way that Australians and New Zealanders do every years through the big ”OE.” The difference is that Aussies and Kiwis are white, so that’s fine, isn’t? so they are not made accountable for the British overpopulation... One of the reasons we like to pick on any other for...
2. These places were peaceful... until Western countries with economical interests arrived to destroy it all. India were peaceful until the Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch and British decided to steal their spices and stones... Middle east were peaceful until a certain and smart group of fundamentalists (and I am not meaning Muslims) here, decided they were better than anyone else... so we had the Crusades... After that, the British again decided they want to claim a channel (in another continent called Suez) to make their travel easier to Asia... so they went all the way there to annoy this ”peaceful” people... Then... the region were peaceful for many decades(if compared to Europe or New World) until someone called Henry Ford created the automobile with use a dark and liquid substance found in abundance around that region... and we have the ”Gulf wars” that is more likely compare to the Nazi German invasion of Poland... but told in English, of course... what make things sounds just as fine...
I hope it is all minced up for you... (:
Knowing a little of Incognito, I understand that her article has a lot to add to this debate...
... I also understand that Britain has one of the largest number of racist movements and individual actions to a developed nation... The British police for example was considered the most racist police in Europe... The Neo nazi movement in Britain is huge... To be sincere, a half dozen ignorant Islamic Fundamentalists will not speak up for a whole religion because the beauty of Britain is its tolerance and historical diplomacy... The nation will heal from these imbeciles as it did many time before from many revolutions and wrong-minded individuals... Britain still the only absolute and real ”Empire” on earth... playing many big guys to believe the opposite... Think about it... Who really is the puppet here... (:
Would be naive of you to believe in John Lennon’s dreams too soon...
I live in Australia and we also have a multi culture, and as an older australian I have seen the changes for both the positive and the negatives.
Our popular motto here is ”love it or leave it!”
We enjoy our life style and are happy to share it.
We have welcomed these people from foreign lands into our homeland so we can all contribute and work together for a better life and future.
Most have adapted and are happy but it becomes only natural for the native resident people to build a great resentment towards foreigners who wont try to speak our language, don’t respect our way of life, don’t intergrate and critisize us by insisting on imposing their very different religious/customs on us and are unappreciative of the country that they seek to derive a better living standard from.
Rather than blowing up the citizens that support them in their new home, they would be better focusing their suicidal efforts against the dictators and war lords and opressive Mullahs in their country of origin, they would then be able to invest in fostering a more advanced civilization, rather than trying to reduce our civilization to their level because - what they don’t realise is that’s what made them emmigrate in the first place, their ingrained cultural behavior keeps their country poor and backwards.
I also think the American people voted for Obama on his character not his skin colour, because he has inherited such a woeful mess to clean up.
Fortunately you, me and Boca have the freedom to voice our opinions.
It’s the fundamental fanatics who oppress and impose their beliefs on other human beings, mainly it’s the women who suffer..
It’s what they DO - some Muslim countries still stone to death their own women in front of their children and they want to impose these sickening cruel beliefs on other people - THAT is what is ”hated”.
In the name of God?
In most of such acts Muslims are more involve and such incidents are happening regularly in their society and their holly men are justifying such acts.
Well on claiming Neo-Nazi attitude I meant the intention of perform without any consideration for other people’s ideas... The intention of making changes by force f necessary... I am not talking of the crimes committed...
If we are talking about the Islamification of the British society, it’s unlikely. The British will follow their own interest and Islam has nothing to add for the Western mind (but don’t make it any worse or better than Judaism or Christianity).
The Muslim is Britain are not new Muslims... They are not converted... are just people who migrated for a better life (which any individual is entitled to) and they are struggling to adjust their morals to an existing one.
...News of the ones you posted are exactly the consequence of these fears. The same context can be taken into consideration by the British to show insatisfaction by the rising numbers of Hindu or Asian immigrants. It is all about fear which generates speculations and turmoil... The breeding grounds of Racism. Yes I know... Racism = race but only as wording sense. racism = hate and misunderstanding to any generalised group regardless. Racism is discrimination and this is what these people suffers every day through Britain. Not all, some... but still not good enough.
I also understand your fears about the development of Islam... and it is the natural path of any organised Religion with exception of Judaism who is selective. Islam will not make things better or worse to society but to individuals minds... at the end, it is not about religion IC, is about ignorance. The Islamists we see on TV and papers are not all but a few of imbeciles who where brainwashed over their lives to understand they are entitled to rise against a morally corrupted system (on their views)...
- Now, my question is the following: Britain, Like the USA, Australia, Brazil and New Zealand; is a nation created and strengthened by the powers of Immigrants... These people claiming the righteousness of Islam are in fact, British born descendents of immigrants but British themselves... Question: For how long do you believe these people should wait until they have the power to stand up and use their rights to agree or disagree (or what you are all calling ”imposing”) until they are seem as just British citizens manifesting? Like Women did in the 70’s for equality and Christian groups do to this day all over the world without any reprehension? Should wait until they mix enough over generations to become ”acceptably” Western/white like? To become politicians and accepted in Cereal commercials?
Question: Imagine is all the extreme islamists we see on TV were white and not coloured people... Would we tolerate them any better? I can answer that” Yes we would... We did with Mormons, Quakers, Scientologists, Jehovah Witnesses... we even tolerated Hippies as the most dissfunctional and useless group of individuals a society can have... and we did for the right people have, regardless of colour, gender or social status to protest and try to implement their views of a perfect world.
At the end, our views and tolerances are trained to be racist like any other Joe or Jane... Is up to enlightenment, understanding, communication and study to free ourselves, without wonder of others, from these chains of discriminatory fears... and finally to become Humans beyond primitive ideas... because this type of fear and discrimination hasn’t changed for thousands of years... Funny enough, the fears that we have today are the same fears that Jewish society in Rome used to have against the Christians before it became mature... something to think about...
Most of the traditional people would not want to step back in time and return to scrounging for food or live under oppressive patriarchal societies.
Who would want to live without modern surgery, modern transport, education and the luxuries ie clean running water, refridgeration.
The same thing happened during the Roman empire and it became a great flourishing multicultural empire that bought many more benefits to its inhabitants.
Lets keep this in perspective.
The slave trade - besides the British and Europeans it also included the black African war lords capturing their enemies as was their custom to trade with the British who were profiting just as much, so they were all in on it not just the British & European.
In fact the culture of slave trade STILL exists in North Africa as a tradable commodity.
All people want the same thing - a better standard of living, and a peaceful easier way of life.
Now, I need to make clear I am not talking about colonisation but Imperialism as the source of all turmoil in today’s Britain. I could clearly use France and Algeria or Netherlands and Guiana under the same category... It all back-fired when the local population of Colonies decided to move to a better place... Also, many Europeans end up marrying the natives and creating mesticos... Apparently, the British women of the 16, 17 and 18 century were considered the ugliest women on Earth... what helped people to enlister to navy. There are an old Spanish say that claims: ”The British has conquered the world by running way from their women, weather and food.” ...That gives us an indication. (:
The Imperialistic Britain and Rome cannot be compared even they were after the same thing: Wealth! Not overpopulation but Gold! The colonisation of Brazil (which occurred first in the New World), then central America and finally in Canada, USA were all after Gold, not overpopulation... (:
In the same issue, Richard Watson writes a lengthy essay on the rise of the British jihad: Headlined ’The One True God, Allah’, he accuses complacency of the British Intelligence agencies for significant acceleration in extremist Islamist activities. He added that Western democracies have been disastrously slow to recognise where the true battle lines were drawn. Back in 1990s, the radicals preaching in London and other British cities, and the networks they were creating, were judged largely as a threat not to Britain but to countries overseas.
London was fast becoming ’Londonistan’.It became a safe haven for Islamic radicals, just as it had been for revolutionaries and anarchists in the nineteenth century.
He writes further: ” It seems there was an unwritten agreement that Islamist radicals could operate freely in Britain so long as their activities were concentrated abroad. British authorities were effectively relying on an Islamic concept called the Covenant of Security under which, according to Islamic law, Muslims should never attack their host unless they themselves are under attack. The assumption that this covenant would protect British interests at home allowed the extremist clerics to operate without restriction from the British state.”
But it was a shortlived one. Such a myopic policy led to mirage. In 2005, terrorists, having training in camps in Pakistan, decided to break the Covenant and the Britain became the target.
So much for age and opinions, right?
- see: ”Establishing the boundaries” in Gavin Flood (2003), pp. 1-17. René Guénon in his Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines (1921 ed.), Sophia Perennis.
(:
Is quite easy to think and talk about religion with their bellies full and that is what these people are doing (in particularly, the teenagers and young adults).
I see this rise no different from any Punk-Rock-Goth movement that will be scrapped from the British society with a decade on same way the Black Power and racist movements did in US. Society will heal itself from this ’nutters’ and the result will be only the good Muslim worker, free to practice their religion as any citizen of any religion should.
Think of the fears of ”Communism” in the white America of the 50’s and you wont be far off my reasons to believe on the above.
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If they were peaceful people and living contented lives in their own home country they wouldn’t want leave it in the first place.
I live in Australia and we also have a multi culture, and as an older australian I have seen the changes for both the positive and the negatives.
Our popular motto here is ”love it or leave it!”
We enjoy our life style and are happy to share it.
We have welcomed these people from foreign lands into our homeland so we can all contribute and work together for a better life and future.
Most have adapted and are happy but it becomes only natural for the native resident people to build a great resentment towards foreigners who wont try to speak our language, don’t respect our way of life, don’t intergrate and critisize us by insisting on imposing their very different religious/customs on us and are unappreciative of the country that they seek to derive a better living standard from.
Rather than blowing up the citizens that support them in their new home, they would be better focusing their suicidal efforts against the dictators and war lords and opressive Mullahs in their country of origin, they would then be able to invest in fostering a more advanced civilization, rather than trying to reduce our civilization to their level because - what they don’t realise is that’s what made them emmigrate in the first place, their ingrained cultural behavior keeps their country poor and backwards.
I also think the American people voted for Obama on his character not his skin colour, because he has inherited such a woeful mess to clean up.
Fortunately you, me and Boca have the freedom to voice our opinions.
It’s the fundamental fanatics who oppress and impose their beliefs on other human beings, mainly it’s the women who suffer..
It’s what they DO - some Muslim countries still stone to death their own women in front of their children and they want to impose these sickening cruel beliefs on other people - THAT is what is ”hated”.
In the name of God?
In most of such acts Muslims are more involve and such incidents are happening regularly in their society and their holly men are justifying such acts.
Also, How exactly This is ’Imposed’ to people other than Muslims?
... So, The tribes of Diego Garcia island which their lands were taken by the British; end up in London. The African Slaves taken by force from their continent to Central America; end up in London, Indians (which include Pakistanis)who were exploited by the British Empire for 300 years also end up in London... The same way that Australians and New Zealanders do every years through the big ”OE.” The difference is that Aussies and Kiwis are white, so that’s fine, isn’t? so they are not made accountable for the British overpopulation... One of the reasons we like to pick on any other for...
2. These places were peaceful... until Western countries with economical interests arrived to destroy it all. India were peaceful until the Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch and British decided to steal their spices and stones... Middle east were peaceful until a certain and smart group of fundamentalists (and I am not meaning Muslims) here, decided they were better than anyone else... so we had the Crusades... After that, the British again decided they want to claim a channel (in another continent called Suez) to make their travel easier to Asia... so they went all the way there to annoy this ”peaceful” people... Then... the region were peaceful for many decades(if compared to Europe or New World) until someone called Henry Ford created the automobile with use a dark and liquid substance found in abundance around that region... and we have the ”Gulf wars” that is more likely compare to the Nazi German invasion of Poland... but told in English, of course... what make things sounds just as fine...
I hope it is all minced up for you... (:
Knowing a little of Incognito, I understand that her article has a lot to add to this debate...
... I also understand that Britain has one of the largest number of racist movements and individual actions to a developed nation... The British police for example was considered the most racist police in Europe... The Neo nazi movement in Britain is huge... To be sincere, a half dozen ignorant Islamic Fundamentalists will not speak up for a whole religion because the beauty of Britain is its tolerance and historical diplomacy... The nation will heal from these imbeciles as it did many time before from many revolutions and wrong-minded individuals... Britain still the only absolute and real ”Empire” on earth... playing many big guys to believe the opposite... Think about it... Who really is the puppet here... (:
If we are talking about the Islamification of the British society, it’s unlikely. The British will follow their own interest and Islam has nothing to add for the Western mind (but don’t make it any worse or better than Judaism or Christianity).
The Muslim is Britain are not new Muslims... They are not converted... are just people who migrated for a better life (which any individual is entitled to) and they are struggling to adjust their morals to an existing one.
Would be naive of you to believe in John Lennon’s dreams too soon...
Most of the traditional people would not want to step back in time and return to scrounging for food or live under oppressive patriarchal societies.
Who would want to live without modern surgery, modern transport, education and the luxuries ie clean running water, refridgeration.
The same thing happened during the Roman empire and it became a great flourishing multicultural empire that bought many more benefits to its inhabitants.
Lets keep this in perspective.
The slave trade - besides the British and Europeans it also included the black African war lords capturing their enemies as was their custom to trade with the British who were profiting just as much, so they were all in on it not just the British & European.
In fact the culture of slave trade STILL exists in North Africa as a tradable commodity.
All people want the same thing - a better standard of living, and a peaceful easier way of life.
...News of the ones you posted are exactly the consequence of these fears. The same context can be taken into consideration by the British to show insatisfaction by the rising numbers of Hindu or Asian immigrants. It is all about fear which generates speculations and turmoil... The breeding grounds of Racism. Yes I know... Racism = race but only as wording sense. racism = hate and misunderstanding to any generalised group regardless. Racism is discrimination and this is what these people suffers every day through Britain. Not all, some... but still not good enough.
I also understand your fears about the development of Islam... and it is the natural path of any organised Religion with exception of Judaism who is selective. Islam will not make things better or worse to society but to individuals minds... at the end, it is not about religion IC, is about ignorance. The Islamists we see on TV and papers are not all but a few of imbeciles who where brainwashed over their lives to understand they are entitled to rise against a morally corrupted system (on their views)...
- Now, my question is the following: Britain, Like the USA, Australia, Brazil and New Zealand; is a nation created and strengthened by the powers of Immigrants... These people claiming the righteousness of Islam are in fact, British born descendents of immigrants but British themselves... Question: For how long do you believe these people should wait until they have the power to stand up and use their rights to agree or disagree (or what you are all calling ”imposing”) until they are seem as just British citizens manifesting? Like Women did in the 70’s for equality and Christian groups do to this day all over the world without any reprehension? Should wait until they mix enough over generations to become ”acceptably” Western/white like? To become politicians and accepted in Cereal commercials?
Question: Imagine is all the extreme islamists we see on TV were white and not coloured people... Would we tolerate them any better? I can answer that” Yes we would... We did with Mormons, Quakers, Scientologists, Jehovah Witnesses... we even tolerated Hippies as the most dissfunctional and useless group of individuals a society can have... and we did for the right people have, regardless of colour, gender or social status to protest and try to implement their views of a perfect world.
At the end, our views and tolerances are trained to be racist like any other Joe or Jane... Is up to enlightenment, understanding, communication and study to free ourselves, without wonder of others, from these chains of discriminatory fears... and finally to become Humans beyond primitive ideas... because this type of fear and discrimination hasn’t changed for thousands of years... Funny enough, the fears that we have today are the same fears that Jewish society in Rome used to have against the Christians before it became mature... something to think about...
Now, I need to make clear I am not talking about colonisation but Imperialism as the source of all turmoil in today’s Britain. I could clearly use France and Algeria or Netherlands and Guiana under the same category... It all back-fired when the local population of Colonies decided to move to a better place... Also, many Europeans end up marrying the natives and creating mesticos... Apparently, the British women of the 16, 17 and 18 century were considered the ugliest women on Earth... what helped people to enlister to navy. There are an old Spanish say that claims: ”The British has conquered the world by running way from their women, weather and food.” ...That gives us an indication. (:
The Imperialistic Britain and Rome cannot be compared even they were after the same thing: Wealth! Not overpopulation but Gold! The colonisation of Brazil (which occurred first in the New World), then central America and finally in Canada, USA were all after Gold, not overpopulation... (:
Well on claiming Neo-Nazi attitude I meant the intention of perform without any consideration for other people’s ideas... The intention of making changes by force f necessary... I am not talking of the crimes committed...
In the same issue, Richard Watson writes a lengthy essay on the rise of the British jihad: Headlined ’The One True God, Allah’, he accuses complacency of the British Intelligence agencies for significant acceleration in extremist Islamist activities. He added that Western democracies have been disastrously slow to recognise where the true battle lines were drawn. Back in 1990s, the radicals preaching in London and other British cities, and the networks they were creating, were judged largely as a threat not to Britain but to countries overseas.
London was fast becoming ’Londonistan’.It became a safe haven for Islamic radicals, just as it had been for revolutionaries and anarchists in the nineteenth century.
He writes further: ” It seems there was an unwritten agreement that Islamist radicals could operate freely in Britain so long as their activities were concentrated abroad. British authorities were effectively relying on an Islamic concept called the Covenant of Security under which, according to Islamic law, Muslims should never attack their host unless they themselves are under attack. The assumption that this covenant would protect British interests at home allowed the extremist clerics to operate without restriction from the British state.”
But it was a shortlived one. Such a myopic policy led to mirage. In 2005, terrorists, having training in camps in Pakistan, decided to break the Covenant and the Britain became the target.
So much for age and opinions, right?
- see: ”Establishing the boundaries” in Gavin Flood (2003), pp. 1-17. René Guénon in his Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines (1921 ed.), Sophia Perennis.
(:
Is quite easy to think and talk about religion with their bellies full and that is what these people are doing (in particularly, the teenagers and young adults).
I see this rise no different from any Punk-Rock-Goth movement that will be scrapped from the British society with a decade on same way the Black Power and racist movements did in US. Society will heal itself from this ’nutters’ and the result will be only the good Muslim worker, free to practice their religion as any citizen of any religion should.
Think of the fears of ”Communism” in the white America of the 50’s and you wont be far off my reasons to believe on the above.
If they were peaceful people and living contented lives in their own home country they wouldn’t want leave it in the first place.
I live in Australia and we also have a multi culture, and as an older australian I have seen the changes for both the positive and the negatives.
Our popular motto here is ”love it or leave it!”
We enjoy our life style and are happy to share it.
We have welcomed these people from foreign lands into our homeland so we can all contribute and work together for a better life and future.
Most have adapted and are happy but it becomes only natural for the native resident people to build a great resentment towards foreigners who wont try to speak our language, don’t respect our way of life, don’t intergrate and critisize us by insisting on imposing their very different religious/customs on us and are unappreciative of the country that they seek to derive a better living standard from.
Rather than blowing up the citizens that support them in their new home, they would be better focusing their suicidal efforts against the dictators and war lords and opressive Mullahs in their country of origin, they would then be able to invest in fostering a more advanced civilization, rather than trying to reduce our civilization to their level because - what they don’t realise is that’s what made them emmigrate in the first place, their ingrained cultural behavior keeps their country poor and backwards.
I also think the American people voted for Obama on his character not his skin colour, because he has inherited such a woeful mess to clean up.
Fortunately you, me and Boca have the freedom to voice our opinions.
It’s the fundamental fanatics who oppress and impose their beliefs on other human beings, mainly it’s the women who suffer..
It’s what they DO - some Muslim countries still stone to death their own women in front of their children and they want to impose these sickening cruel beliefs on other people - THAT is what is ”hated”.
In the name of God?
In most of such acts Muslims are more involve and such incidents are happening regularly in their society and their holly men are justifying such acts.
Knowing a little of Incognito, I understand that her article has a lot to add to this debate...
... I also understand that Britain has one of the largest number of racist movements and individual actions to a developed nation... The British police for example was considered the most racist police in Europe... The Neo nazi movement in Britain is huge... To be sincere, a half dozen ignorant Islamic Fundamentalists will not speak up for a whole religion because the beauty of Britain is its tolerance and historical diplomacy... The nation will heal from these imbeciles as it did many time before from many revolutions and wrong-minded individuals... Britain still the only absolute and real ”Empire” on earth... playing many big guys to believe the opposite... Think about it... Who really is the puppet here... (:
If we are talking about the Islamification of the British society, it’s unlikely. The British will follow their own interest and Islam has nothing to add for the Western mind (but don’t make it any worse or better than Judaism or Christianity).
The Muslim is Britain are not new Muslims... They are not converted... are just people who migrated for a better life (which any individual is entitled to) and they are struggling to adjust their morals to an existing one.
Would be naive of you to believe in John Lennon’s dreams too soon...
Most of the traditional people would not want to step back in time and return to scrounging for food or live under oppressive patriarchal societies.
Who would want to live without modern surgery, modern transport, education and the luxuries ie clean running water, refridgeration.
The same thing happened during the Roman empire and it became a great flourishing multicultural empire that bought many more benefits to its inhabitants.
Lets keep this in perspective.
The slave trade - besides the British and Europeans it also included the black African war lords capturing their enemies as was their custom to trade with the British who were profiting just as much, so they were all in on it not just the British & European.
In fact the culture of slave trade STILL exists in North Africa as a tradable commodity.
All people want the same thing - a better standard of living, and a peaceful easier way of life.
...News of the ones you posted are exactly the consequence of these fears. The same context can be taken into consideration by the British to show insatisfaction by the rising numbers of Hindu or Asian immigrants. It is all about fear which generates speculations and turmoil... The breeding grounds of Racism. Yes I know... Racism = race but only as wording sense. racism = hate and misunderstanding to any generalised group regardless. Racism is discrimination and this is what these people suffers every day through Britain. Not all, some... but still not good enough.
I also understand your fears about the development of Islam... and it is the natural path of any organised Religion with exception of Judaism who is selective. Islam will not make things better or worse to society but to individuals minds... at the end, it is not about religion IC, is about ignorance. The Islamists we see on TV and papers are not all but a few of imbeciles who where brainwashed over their lives to understand they are entitled to rise against a morally corrupted system (on their views)...
- Now, my question is the following: Britain, Like the USA, Australia, Brazil and New Zealand; is a nation created and strengthened by the powers of Immigrants... These people claiming the righteousness of Islam are in fact, British born descendents of immigrants but British themselves... Question: For how long do you believe these people should wait until they have the power to stand up and use their rights to agree or disagree (or what you are all calling ”imposing”) until they are seem as just British citizens manifesting? Like Women did in the 70’s for equality and Christian groups do to this day all over the world without any reprehension? Should wait until they mix enough over generations to become ”acceptably” Western/white like? To become politicians and accepted in Cereal commercials?
Question: Imagine is all the extreme islamists we see on TV were white and not coloured people... Would we tolerate them any better? I can answer that” Yes we would... We did with Mormons, Quakers, Scientologists, Jehovah Witnesses... we even tolerated Hippies as the most dissfunctional and useless group of individuals a society can have... and we did for the right people have, regardless of colour, gender or social status to protest and try to implement their views of a perfect world.
At the end, our views and tolerances are trained to be racist like any other Joe or Jane... Is up to enlightenment, understanding, communication and study to free ourselves, without wonder of others, from these chains of discriminatory fears... and finally to become Humans beyond primitive ideas... because this type of fear and discrimination hasn’t changed for thousands of years... Funny enough, the fears that we have today are the same fears that Jewish society in Rome used to have against the Christians before it became mature... something to think about...
Well on claiming Neo-Nazi attitude I meant the intention of perform without any consideration for other people’s ideas... The intention of making changes by force f necessary... I am not talking of the crimes committed...
In the same issue, Richard Watson writes a lengthy essay on the rise of the British jihad: Headlined ’The One True God, Allah’, he accuses complacency of the British Intelligence agencies for significant acceleration in extremist Islamist activities. He added that Western democracies have been disastrously slow to recognise where the true battle lines were drawn. Back in 1990s, the radicals preaching in London and other British cities, and the networks they were creating, were judged largely as a threat not to Britain but to countries overseas.
London was fast becoming ’Londonistan’.It became a safe haven for Islamic radicals, just as it had been for revolutionaries and anarchists in the nineteenth century.
He writes further: ” It seems there was an unwritten agreement that Islamist radicals could operate freely in Britain so long as their activities were concentrated abroad. British authorities were effectively relying on an Islamic concept called the Covenant of Security under which, according to Islamic law, Muslims should never attack their host unless they themselves are under attack. The assumption that this covenant would protect British interests at home allowed the extremist clerics to operate without restriction from the British state.”
But it was a shortlived one. Such a myopic policy led to mirage. In 2005, terrorists, having training in camps in Pakistan, decided to break the Covenant and the Britain became the target.
- see: ”Establishing the boundaries” in Gavin Flood (2003), pp. 1-17. René Guénon in his Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines (1921 ed.), Sophia Perennis.
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Also, How exactly This is ’Imposed’ to people other than Muslims?
... So, The tribes of Diego Garcia island which their lands were taken by the British; end up in London. The African Slaves taken by force from their continent to Central America; end up in London, Indians (which include Pakistanis)who were exploited by the British Empire for 300 years also end up in London... The same way that Australians and New Zealanders do every years through the big ”OE.” The difference is that Aussies and Kiwis are white, so that’s fine, isn’t? so they are not made accountable for the British overpopulation... One of the reasons we like to pick on any other for...
2. These places were peaceful... until Western countries with economical interests arrived to destroy it all. India were peaceful until the Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch and British decided to steal their spices and stones... Middle east were peaceful until a certain and smart group of fundamentalists (and I am not meaning Muslims) here, decided they were better than anyone else... so we had the Crusades... After that, the British again decided they want to claim a channel (in another continent called Suez) to make their travel easier to Asia... so they went all the way there to annoy this ”peaceful” people... Then... the region were peaceful for many decades(if compared to Europe or New World) until someone called Henry Ford created the automobile with use a dark and liquid substance found in abundance around that region... and we have the ”Gulf wars” that is more likely compare to the Nazi German invasion of Poland... but told in English, of course... what make things sounds just as fine...
I hope it is all minced up for you... (:
Now, I need to make clear I am not talking about colonisation but Imperialism as the source of all turmoil in today’s Britain. I could clearly use France and Algeria or Netherlands and Guiana under the same category... It all back-fired when the local population of Colonies decided to move to a better place... Also, many Europeans end up marrying the natives and creating mesticos... Apparently, the British women of the 16, 17 and 18 century were considered the ugliest women on Earth... what helped people to enlister to navy. There are an old Spanish say that claims: ”The British has conquered the world by running way from their women, weather and food.” ...That gives us an indication. (:
The Imperialistic Britain and Rome cannot be compared even they were after the same thing: Wealth! Not overpopulation but Gold! The colonisation of Brazil (which occurred first in the New World), then central America and finally in Canada, USA were all after Gold, not overpopulation... (:
So much for age and opinions, right?
Is quite easy to think and talk about religion with their bellies full and that is what these people are doing (in particularly, the teenagers and young adults).
I see this rise no different from any Punk-Rock-Goth movement that will be scrapped from the British society with a decade on same way the Black Power and racist movements did in US. Society will heal itself from this ’nutters’ and the result will be only the good Muslim worker, free to practice their religion as any citizen of any religion should.
Think of the fears of ”Communism” in the white America of the 50’s and you wont be far off my reasons to believe on the above.
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